User talk:Jonhays0

Interesting that Jonhays0 is 83 years old (born 1920), and is a veteran of a war that ended 2 years before he was born.

I suspect it's a typo for WWII, anonymous poster -- Tarquin 20:04, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, Annie Nonimus, for noticing the type in the date. Thanks again, Tarquin. I deletd this page down to the "Primer" and printed the rest in "printable form".

user & user talk pages are considered to be personal space, so you're free to keep all the discussion if you like. I hope the above helped :) - Tarquin 17:09, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Thanks, again, Tarquin. I just downloaded your page, which gives me some understanding and respect for your rules and procedures.

Twice I've been scolded for using "sandbox" to create a link for which no present link exists. One said something about "creating a link on your page", but I can't find any instructions expaining what that means. Three days ago I tried to ask about this at the Village Pump and lost contact completely with Wikipedia and no subsequent answer. What can I do? HELP!!!!!

It means, "do not create new pages simply for newbie experiments. Or we will have to delete your experiment manually, because it is rubbish, not article." A sandbox is where you experiment, you can also see the results directly by clicking on "Show preview". --Menchi 00:59, Aug 26, 2003 (UTC)

You can go to your user page, User:Jonhays0, and edit this page like any other page. Maybe that's what you're trying to do? By the way: to sign a comment on a user page or on the village pump, just write four tildes: ~~~~ -- they will convert automagically to your name and the current date and time. If you want to write only your name, use three tildes. -- till we *) 01:00, Aug 26, 2003 (UTC)

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List formatting[edit]

In adjoining an item to the list in the article "Disability", the list-closure marker was not available in the EDIT window so that I could precede it by my item. Is this a CORRECTABLE GENERAL PROBLEM? --Jonhays0

It is not a GENERAL PROBLEM like a bug is a GENERAL PROBLEM, no, and I've FIXED the page in question. Unordered lists are formatted by just putting an asterisk before each item (for ordered lists, put a hash before each item). See Wikipedia:How to edit a page for more details on formatting. By the way, you put your new item at disability under "see also", which is a heading usually reserved for internal links to other Wikipedia articles; I've changed it to "Further reading", but if you used that article as a reference, you might want to change it to "References" instead. --Camembert

Hi - I'm not sure if it was you that just commented on my user page about references, but I'm assuming it was. I'm afraid I'm not too sure what you mean - all I meant by the above was that if you'd used that article in the Washington Post as a source for something you'd added to disability, it might be better to put it under a "References" heading rather than a "Further reading" one as I did. It isn't a very big deal though. If it wasn't you who made that comment, feel free to ignore this :-) --Camembert

Hi, just thought I'd let you know that I removed a lot of the bold formatting from the Generatics article that you have been working on. You might want to put some of it back, but the way it was made it quite unreadable as almost every other word was bold! I don't think that much of it needs to be emphasised as it has the effect of not really emphasising anything if it's all in bold. Angela 04:02, Sep 14, 2003 (UTC)

Hello. Your article, generatics, parallels a page you put on the web that complains about the lack of teaching of a lot of different things. Nearly all of them are things that are commonly taught, albeit not in secondary school. All mathematicians know about them and they are generally considered staples of the math curriculum. If you mean they should be taught in secondary school to everyone, rather than just those who go on to major in math, you ought to say so. Michael Hardy 19:41, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Hello again. I attempted to reply to your recent email, and the reply bounced. If it's OK with you I could post the reply here. I would post it immediately but for the fact that the email quotes some things you wrote in your email, so I'm asking for permission.

However, to add something to what I wrote above: Most of those topics concerning which you complained that they are not taught, generally are taught in courses taken by students majoring in math. Other students don't generally see most of those things; students who are learning, for example, advance calculus only for the purpose of applying it to physics or engineering do not see those things. That doesn't mean they're not taught; they are taught to those who want to learn theoretical math. Michael Hardy 19:11, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

re: Ok with me

Good. I would hate to have a user page you did not agree with!!

Angela 01:15, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

I didn't mean to revert your user page by the way - I meant to revert mine. Wrong button. Sorry! Angela 01:33, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

Hi Jonhays0, I've noticed that you've been editing people's user pages in order to leave messages for them. I'm not sure if it was accidental or deliberate, but you should be made aware of the fact that the best place to leave messages for another user is on his or her "User talk" page, rather than the "User" page. Happy editing ! -- Cyan 01:57, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Cyan, thanks for the tip, inscrutable as it seems. I've never been able to find any "User talk" page, except my own. Is that because, when I search for it, the User is not logged on?

A user doesn't need to be logged for you to see the talk page. You get to someone's user page by clicking on their name. When you get there, look for the "discuss this page" link which is on the sidebar and/or at the bottom of the screen. Then you will be on their talk page. Click "edit this page" and you can leave a message at the bottom. Hope that helps. Angela 18:54, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

I don't really regard myself as a psychologist but yes, it is interesting. I think speaking a in raised voice on a web page is probably not a good idea. It's best to leave messages on my talk page as I don't check my e-maill that often. I noticed you are using <li> tags. A simpler way is just to use an asterisk (*) as this is automatically converted to <li> when the page is viewed. For numbered lists, you can use # instead of *. Angela 23:23, Sep 16, 2003 (UTC)

The content of the email you sent me should really go on Talk:Generatics. I have placed it there and responded to it. You only need to email another user if the message would be inappropriate in Wikipedia (e.g privacy issues, matters not relating to Wikipedia, etc). -- Cyan 05:13, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Another useful tip: you can sign posts by writing four tildes (~~~~); the software automatically converts this into a link to your user page and a timestamp (like my signatures above and below). Using three tildes leaves out the timestamp. -- Cyan 05:13, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

You wrote:

Docment for me one place wherein students are told how to discover the rules for integral, rational, real, and complex number arithmetic.

These things are regularly assigned as exercises in the kind of courses required of students majoring in math, but other students don't generally see them. As an undergraduate I took a course for which Rudin's Principles of Mathematical Analysis was the text. Construction of the real numbers and proof that they form an ordered field, and that the addition, multiplication, and ordering, restricted to the rational subfield, agree with the operations that that subfield already had, constitutes two somewhat lengthy exercises, one using Dedekind cuts and the other using equivalence classes of Cauchy sequences. Some of the other things you list above are generally included in abstract algebra courses, again required of math majors but not of other students.

Even one place wherein student are taught how the great William Rowan Hamilton created complex numbers as vectors of real and invented the label "vector". I am also a statistician, have taught many courses in it, and published papers in it.

Again, this is commonplace. See any standard abstract algebra textbook. It is certainly true that most students who do not major in math do not see this stuff, but it is not true that anyone excludes them from courses required of those who do major in math. Michael Hardy 21:48, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Again, I would reply sooner if you used my talk page rather than e-mailing me. It's good to hear you are taking Cyan's advice.

You said that there is some evidence that most girls have better hearing than most boys. If you're going to put this in an article, you're going to need to back it up with evidence other than your own. It needs to be verifiable. I'm not sure how Binet's dodgy test results are relevant here. Angela 01:42, Sep 18, 2003 (UTC)

I not sure what happened with your message that you say you saved as I never saw it on my talk page, but I got the latest one so that's ok. What you need to do to leave a message on a talk page is click on someone's name like (Angela) and then look for a link in the box at the side that says "discuss this page". Does that make sense? If you can't get it to work, you could try typing this URL into the address bar of your browser: http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Angela (just change my name for the username of the person you want to speak to).

I'm not sure what you mean by "Binet cut down on language usage". I've never heard of generatics so I really can't comment on the content. I'm not sure if your experiences with the Army Alpha Test are typical, but ideally the test conditions would be standardised for all candidates. Perhaps things have changed these days now that psychology has become more mainstream.

You say you are not getting answers - where are you asking? People generally help out if they can. Perhaps they don't understand what you're asking. Can you give me any examples? Angela 19:39, Sep 21, 2003 (UTC)

Glad to see you're getting the hang of the talk pages! Well done. It'll seem less strange once you get used to it. Angela 00:51, Sep 22, 2003 (UTC)

In response to the query you left on my talk page: all you need to do is put a new line below the last item on that list, and begin it with an asterisk. The parser will convert any line that starts with an asterisk into an underordered list item. So, for example, if you put something like this in the edit window:

*This is unordered list item number one  *This is item number two  *This is item number three

It'll get turned into this:

This is unordered list item number one
This is item number two
This is item number three

The parser closes the list automatically, you don't have to worry about putting html in there or anything. I hope this helps. --Camembert

Why did you remove the example table at Cartesian product? Just curious. Dysprosia 00:40, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Okay, I see now. Please don't use HTML excessively in articles however; check out Wikipedia:How to edit a page for the Wiki-markup info.

I put the table there, but it wasn't coming out properly, so I removed it. The reference you gave only discusses this type of tabling in HTML. It came out correctly in "Graphing equivalence". I'm happy to receive assistance and suggestions, but I don't see what I should have done differently.

You had also extraneous <ul> and <ol> tags there, which muck up the formatting...you don't need them, you can just use # and * to create numbered and bullets respectively. Your table didn't render properly because you had open <b> tags.

You can also use '''bold''' to get bold, as well.

Hope this helps :) Dysprosia 06:27, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

When it comes to math, I'm not really the guy to talk to: I'm an engineer, so for me math is a tool. This link will show you the format of a redirect page. This particular redirect will take you from Hanlon's Razor to Hanlon's razor. -- Cyan 20:02, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC)

To me it looks like all the math articles have been written by professional mathematicians, for professional mathematicians. I'm a dilettante; unless I'm already familiar with the topic at hand, the information goes right over my head. I'm not sure about a double standard one way or the other -- it seems to me there is one standard, that of the professional mathematician. I'm an outsider looking in. The best people with which to discuss these issues are listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Mathematics#Participants. Cheers, Cyan 02:26, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Um, I had taken the citations of articles in "Notices of The American Mathematical Society" on your user page as evidence that you are a professional mathematician. I wasn't trying to leave you out -- I was trying to leave me out, because I'm not really competent to comment on the deeper issues.

I'm sorry you've felt attacked by other contributors. I believe that although some of the comments (like that of Annie Nonimus) were unfair, others have simply been intended to ensure that Wikipedia is improved. Everybody is fair game here. As to welcome messages, different contributors have different welcome styles. (You can see an example of mine at User talk:Stormie). Cheers, Cyan 20:18, 29 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Your entry to Wikipedia was unusually harsh. I think most people don't have that tough a time of it. You just fell on the tail of the distribution, unfortunately. -- Cyan 07:26, 30 Sep 2003 (UTC)

I can't seem to find an article called Generating arithmetic, and nothing in your contributions list looks like such an article. Do you mean to say that the last revision of Generatics is satisfactory to you? If so, you can move it to a different title by going to it and clicking on "Move this page". -- Cyan 02:04, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Your recent post at Talk:Michael Hardy should go to User talk:Michael Hardy. Cheers, Cyan 03:06, 5 Dec 2003 (UTC)

OK, I'm looking at your "challenge problem". More later.... Michael Hardy 03:17, 6 Dec 2003 (UTC)

All pages come equipped with a "Page history" link that lets you see who did what and when. Cheers, Cyan 22:00, 11 Dec 2003 (UTC)

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Your recent post to my talk page should go on Talk:Logarithm. Cheers, Cyan 02:49, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC)

Hello. You posted to my talk page a "challenge problem" that I had intended to look at. I haven't yet done so beyond finding a point at which I was going to ask you for a clarification. But now I can't find it on my talk page. Could you direct me to the web site again? Thanks, and sorry for the inconvenience. Michael Hardy 02:29, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

PS: I think this was in early December or late November. Michael Hardy 02:37, 17 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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