Talk:Tłı̨chǫ
Talk:Tłı̨chǫ
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Comments[edit]
What's this ? We've been "hacked" ? Why on front page ?
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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Move[edit]
I think the article should be at Tlicho. The GNWT in various places such as MACA and this press release refer to the people as Tlicho and not Tli Cho. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 12:50, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree. In the course of researching the territory of Tłı̨chǫ on the internet for the past several days, I did not encounter the term Dogrib until now and only here. Also, it appears that "Tłı̨chǫ" is both the name of the tribal people and the name of the territory as a political entity. Jeff in CA 16:34, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
I've only encountered Dogrib, but then I haven't been researching this topic. It's just various books and maps I've read over the years. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 06:44, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
false orthography[edit]
The Tåîchô orthography is false. Its true is Tłı̨chǫ Kmoksy (talk) 02:07, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
Requested move[edit]
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 16:49, 28 March 2013 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
Dogrib people → Tłı̨chǫ – Article presents Tłı̨chǫ as the preferred name and Dogrib as a former name. The article title should be the modern preferred name. However, I'm not sure whether Tlicho or Tłı̨chǫ would be preferable as the article title, depending on the policy about "funny characters". See "Move" section above for similar previous suggestion. 86.171.43.66 (talk) 04:27, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Support either Tlicho or Tłı̨chǫ as the current name. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 21:19, 21 March 2013 (UTC)
- Comment - to address the second issue first, if this was a Polish name Tłı̨chǫ wouldn't be a problem. But Poland is a big notable independent country; this isn't, this a name written in a language only 2,640 speak, and who don't have an independent state (sorry, doesn't affect my view, but reality has a knock on on sources). Now the first issue second, the actual move, Mark Nuttall (ed.), Encyclopedia of the Arctic, New York: Routledge has Dogrib (Tlicho) as the entry, and generally Routledge are pretty authoritative. Tlicho 1570 Dogrib 6410, which indicates since 2000 Dogrib is still the more common name. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:54, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- If it's determined that Dogrib is the preferred name then the text of the article needs to be changed, especially the first sentence. By the way, I don't see where the 1570 and 6410 numbers are coming from. When I page through the result on those linked pages I count respectively 116 and 202 hits. Beware that Google headline hit counts can be nothing more than Large Random Numbers. 86.161.61.111 (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm still not clear about that, Noetica said similar, and Wikipedia:Search engine test says similar. When you tap out to the last last page of the pulled hits the number does drop to 116 and 202 hits, but when this came up before I was told those initial numbers shown on the first 10 pages header are a reflection of actual word hits within the database even if all books aren't pulled. I'd be grateful if you're au fait with this if you can add a reliable source to Wikipedia:Search engine test, but in the meantime like for like comparisons as above are still valid 1570 vs 6410 or 116 vs 202 aren't the same proportion but still show Dogrib in more common use. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I'm no expert on this, but I just know from experience that the numbers can be completely haywire, and therefore I do not trust them. An extreme example: search for "is a of the time", with quotes, currently tells me "About 1,130,000,000 results", whereas only 7 are actually listed (all typos, obviously). It may be that some hit counts are more accurate than others, and I think quoted strings are particularly prone to being hopelessly wrong, but when there are such obvious glaring problems it is hard to trust any of them. See also this. I have played with that "rc" parameter that they mention, but, as I recall, I did not understand the effects that I saw. 86.160.222.15 (talk) 14:51, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm still not clear about that, Noetica said similar, and Wikipedia:Search engine test says similar. When you tap out to the last last page of the pulled hits the number does drop to 116 and 202 hits, but when this came up before I was told those initial numbers shown on the first 10 pages header are a reflection of actual word hits within the database even if all books aren't pulled. I'd be grateful if you're au fait with this if you can add a reliable source to Wikipedia:Search engine test, but in the meantime like for like comparisons as above are still valid 1570 vs 6410 or 116 vs 202 aren't the same proportion but still show Dogrib in more common use. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:33, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- If it's determined that Dogrib is the preferred name then the text of the article needs to be changed, especially the first sentence. By the way, I don't see where the 1570 and 6410 numbers are coming from. When I page through the result on those linked pages I count respectively 116 and 202 hits. Beware that Google headline hit counts can be nothing more than Large Random Numbers. 86.161.61.111 (talk) 18:20, 24 March 2013 (UTC)
- Support either Tlicho or Tłı̨chǫ as the current name. -- Jeff in CA 06:03, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- Support Tłı̨chǫ (own name in the own language; approximate pronunciation: Tlingchong or Klingchong) or Tlicho (anglicised name) is better from Dogrib. The name Tłı̨chǫ (< tłı̨ «dog» + echǫǫ̀ «rib area, flank») is not tłı̨cho («big dog = horse» < tłı̨ «dog») + cho («big»). --Kmoksy (talk) 15:45, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
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The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Tłı̨chǫ/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
| bit more than stub; needs full expansion/writeup; "language" article is Dogrib language. |
Substituted at 22:03, 26 June 2016 (UTC)
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