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Semi-protected edit request on 31 January 2020[edit]

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I BELIEVE THAT THE WAY YOU ARE SOPPOSED TO SPEL HIS NAME IS SIR FRANCeS DRAKE. (THE LOWERCASE E INDICATES THE CHANGE Blackwolf4667 (talk) 18:30, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Not done. Please provide reliable sources that support this claim, and please don't WP:SHOUT. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 18:38, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 February 2020[edit]

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sir francis drake had a pet pidion that he used to send messages called spencer 217.38.171.35 (talk) 10:02, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Can you point to sources for that? – Thjarkur (talk) 10:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

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change "Drakes" to "Drake's" 73.93.148.22 (talk) 20:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Not done: There are three "Drakes." Please specify the one by the phrase. Otherwise, you request remains unclear.

Please reply to me with {{SUBST:Replyto|Can I Log In}} in the beginning of your reply, and use one more colon (" : ") than me under my message.

Can I Log In 22:21, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

The information [HERE] might help the user who made the request.Hu Nhu (talk) 14:22, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

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'Sir' appears twice; both as a title and as a part of the subject's name. 86.26.148.137 (talk) 23:06, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Done —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:51, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Slavery[edit]

The label 'slave trader' was added but there were no citations provided. Unless these are provided I don't think this should be there. This is a controversial issue and I don't see a consensus in the sources I am reading.

Lazdona (talk) 17:58, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

This was in the original citation which was deleted by the anon user. I'll leave it to you to determine if this is sufficient. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/09/derbyshire-towns-bust-of-black-man-seized-by-defiant-locals MisterCSharp (talk) 18:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

As I was writing the article about New Albion, I read much regarding Francis Drake--mostly in John Sugden's excellent book Francis Drake. Drake, as a very young man, did indeed participate in two voyages to the New World that included the odious act of trading of slaves. Addressing the matter so that it ends there is, however, incomplete and an injustice to accuracy. Drake's subsequent actions through his life were very different. He factually liberated several slaves on various occasions. This was in Panama and in Mexico. In Panama, he liberated a man named Diego, and Dr. Sugden describes their relationship by using the word friendship. Diego later accompanied Drake on his circumnavigation. Drake's landing in California was the first presence of liberated slaves in the future United States--people liberated by Drake. Perhaps these facts about the change that Drake displayed should be considered. Drake has a complicated legacy, and perhaps that should be addressed. Maybe this matter requires what could be a new section. However, I see this article has with so many other problems, that I fully understand that I am not the one to attempt such an undertaking. Most kind regards to all.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:16, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

Excellent points and well-researched. I too contend the use of the term 'slaver' (especially so given that the term was positioned so starkly in the intro) in reference to the young Drake was given undue weight.Roland Of Yew (talk) 11:37, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Reported in the Guardian newspaper, Sir Francis Drake was a slave trader, making three voyages to Guinea and Sierra Leone that enslaved between 1,200 and 1,400 Africans between 1562 and 1567. Contemporary estimates the deaths of around three times as many slaves.^[1] Haolinz (talk) 19:07, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't consider either solid source enough to base this on, especially the History Channel. Hu Nhu made some good points, and I think we need to find some historians of Drake's time.

This was before the Atlantic Slave Trade really took off - Europeans would buy slaves from Africans on much more even terms. Unlike the later slave trade when African nations had little choice. 81.155.51.21 (talk) 14:04, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

^ Bland, Archie. "After Colston, figures such as Drake and Peel could be next". Guardian. Retrieved 14 June 2020.

[1] Bland, Archie. "After Colston, figures such as Drake and Peel could be next". Guardian. Retrieved 14 June 2020.

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