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Would it be prudent to have "Trajan" and "Antoninus" link to their column pages, to suit context? abhi 10:12, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Done for Trajan; no article for Antoninus' column. -- Gauss 17:58, 23 Jul 2004 (UTC)

NPOV[edit]

I've flagged this article, the text has obvious bias, see particularly the last paragraph:

Sixtus died execrated by his own subjects; but posterity has recognized in him one of the greatest popes. He was impulsive, obstinate, severe, and autocratic; but his mind was open to large ideas, and he threw himself into his undertakings with an energy and determination that often compelled success. Few popes can boast of greater enterprise or larger achievements. Whig 06:37, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Bias? I've inserted the offending paragraph, so that we may see whether the flagging is really justified. Looks like a pretty mainstream assessment to me. I wonder what Whig's personal assessment of Sixtus V's urbanisation schemes for Rome is, if you get my drift. I see four well-chosen adjectives there: impulsive, obstinate, severe, and autocratic. Is his energy and determination doubted? Whig has made no edits at all at this article during the past year: is this a whimsical joke? --Wetman 09:01, 20 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like a perfectly standard assessment to me, don't see what the objection is, sorry. Bill 11:10, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • I decided to change it a bit thought as the word usage is too anachronist as I'm reasonably certain it's from the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1911. I tried to moderate it from being too gushy as I'm guessing that's the cause of the dispute? T. Anthony
The article seems to incorporates text from the 1911 Encyclopædia Britannica not the text from Catholic Encyclopedia apart from a paragraph of which I have just added. As the person who added the NPOV was not edited the article since adding the NPOV tag I have removed it. Philip Baird Shearer 12:09, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing about Pope Sixtus V Indulgences ?[edit]

Nothing mentioned in the article about Pope Sixtus V Indulgences or licensing brothels to guarantee funds??--188.161.252.8 (talk) 12:03, 20 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Clarifications desireable[edit]

In the 3rd to the last paragraph above "References", the grammatical construction of this sentence seems to be vague:

"This excommunication which Catholics of the day considered richly deserved, and there is extant a proclamation to justify it, which was to have been published in England if the invasion had been successful."

Does anybody really understand what this sentence is saying? I would like to see the sentence structure improved.

Also in the 2nd to the last paragraph above "References", the following sentence could use some clarification:

"The Pope's negotiations with Henry's representative evoked a bitter and menacing protest and a categorical demand for the performance of promises."

Specifically, a clarification should answer: a "bitter and menacing protest" from whom? and a "performance of promises" by whom? H Padleckas 20:47, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pope Sixtus V[edit]

If I remember correctly Pope Sixtus V was one of the greatest rulers of his time. Not only did he bring order to a Roma without order, he improved all manner of buildings and roads. The finances of the Papal States had never been better, and under the rule of this Pontif life was great. He executed over 7000 brigands in the first five months of his Papacy, those bandtis had their heads mounted upon pikes on Ponte Sant Angelo in Roma. Sixtus V made Roma safe in a time when young ladies would get raped if not protected. --Margrave1206 23:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origin[edit]

"... Pope Siksto the Fifth was born of his holy parents, Slavjan, his father from Kruševice, a village in the Bay of Kotor..." from the Chronicle of the state glorious and holy by Andrija Zmajević, the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Antivari and Primate of the Serbian realm. --PaxEquilibrium 22:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sources? Švitrigaila 12:39, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
That is the source, Perfectly credible report by a highly-placed contemporary Catholic archbishop: see the first paragraph of the article. I'll just add it to the article.---- Wetman (talk) 17:18, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Does this book exist? It doesn't appear in Andrija Zmajević's article. The only mention of it is the web site of city of Herceg Novi, and even this web site speaks about a "legend". All that is not serious. Švitrigaila (talk) 23:01, 16 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sure it does, but it was renamed from "Chronicle" to Annals and is more known that way. I've elaborated. There (in the Second Part of the chronicle) he explained in detail the history of the Roman Church from the New Era to the year of 1675, grasping in detail every Pope. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 11:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Then it must be possible to write a more precise description of the source in the footnote. I don't think "Church Chronicle Andrija Zmajević" is a suficient description. Švitrigaila (talk) 13:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
For the evolution of the name: "kruška", the pear, in Italian is "pera". The town is named according to pears, "Kruševice".
Pope Sixtus' Coat of Arms has a lion with three pears, which possibly might not be a coincidence - "Peretti". Of course, might not be ultimately true, but that is a possibility. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 16:04, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Wouldn't it simpler to consider Peretti means "of Peretto", and "Peretto" is the diminutive form of "Piere" (Peter)? I wish I could see what is exactly written in this chronicle, because evry other sources I found on the net don't speak about that. Švitrigaila (talk) 16:36, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps. I don't know. Did you get that from a source? And remember, that's just tradition, as it's remembered at the Bay of Kotor. For there is even the "House of Pope Sixto", the alleged birthplace of his father, which is a tiny sort-of museum dedicated to him. I will try to pay it a visit when I come there. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes there are. First, there is this web site which is always very well documented. Then there are all the links you can read at the end of the article. I don't trust the mention of Zmajević's chronicle because the only link we have to it is Herceg Novi's web site and we know this kind of sites take great liberties with the facts if they can promote themselves. I want to see either the references of that book, or or a serious modern book quoting it. Even "Philippe Levillain (editor), The Papacy: An Encyclopedia, Routledge, 2002, 1780 p. ISBN 0-415-93752-3" says he was of an humble family made of small farmers in the region of Ancona (no mention of Slavic origins). The same source says it's a legend that he was a swineherd. About his father, the name "Piergentile" is given by this site too. But "Gentile" can be a surname meaning "pagan". Maybe a referrence to another faith? Švitrigaila (talk) 17:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Got it.
Perhaps. I'll try to get a hold of the Chronicle or it's excerpts. On the web one can find scarce sources or truly nothing when it's related to Montenegro (Bay of Kotor included) - this scarceness comes mostly from that (try searching Andrija Zmajevic at the Google). Cheers. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 18:27, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This might be of some use,

--Prevalis (talk) 18:25, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, that's a mirror of Wikipedia. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 18:27, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Really? Whoops, didn't know. Thanks for the update. --Prevalis (talk) 18:29, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What exactly is being argued about? The specific information about family name, or more broadly the issue of whether he was of Dalmatian origin? If the latter, the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1917 says:

He belonged to a Dalmatian family which in the middle of the preceding century had fled to Italy from the Turks who were devastating Illyria and threatened to invade Dalmatia.

But presumably this suggests that the Dalmatian origin was probably at least a generation earlier than what we currently have suggests - the move was in the middle of the 15th century, not the early 16th. And of course, the Catholic Encyclopedia is old. Are there any good recent biographies of Sixtus that might discuss his family background? john k (talk) 18:50, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Both is being argued. No, scarceness of sources is the problem. --PaxEquilibrium (talk) 20:14, 17 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try to find some informations in a library in Paris, but because of a strike in city and regional transport, I'm cloistered at home... Švitrigaila (talk) 12:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]


"As a child, he served in a Catholic monastery in Kotor, where he converted from Serbian Orthodoxy to Roman Catholicism and was subsequently taken to Italy by an Italian friar."

This is an insult to Sixtus V and to all Croats, implying that this great Croatian Pope is actually Serb. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.29.235.2 (talk) 07:50, 13 January 2010 (UTC) Block Evasion[reply]

I've added sources regarding his Slavic/Croat/Serb origin. The Svilanović family is Serbian Orthodox, and have the slava of Nikoljdan (На страни 503. стоји: „Свилановићи су ста- росједиоци, славе Никољдан. Из овог је пле- мена, како је доказивано, био папа Сиксто V, који је у свом грбу, за знак да је с Крушевица, уметнуо три крушке, а потписао се са, Реге(- п.) but I have not added this to the article. I'll look into it further.--Zoupan 17:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC) Blocked sock:Ajdebre.[reply]
This section is a complete travesty of overkill, and none of the sources is any good. It should not be hard to find a reliable source written in English that discusses his ancestry. For the moment, I think we should stick with the 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, which says his family had Dalmatian origins, and leave it at that until we can find some sources that aren't written in Serbo-Croatian. john k (talk) 12:08, 9 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Devil's Advocate[edit]

Wikipedia article on Devil's Advocate says Sixtus created the office, but there is no mention of it in this biography. It's a very important historical/philosophical/theological/legal issue, needs historical explanation of its origin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.195.10.116 (talk) 11:21, 13 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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sixtine vs sistine[edit]

Vulgata Sixtina, yes, but shouldn't it be Sistine Vulgate if Vulgate is in English? Like the Sistine Chapel? --2607:FEA8:D5DF:F945:B88E:B5C9:F5A:71D0 (talk) 23:03, 28 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

See my answer hereVeverve. (talk) 00:39, 29 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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