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Christy Clark two pictures issue[edit]

I looked at a couple of other premier lists just now, OK, there's two separate images of, say, Allison Redford. My problem here is that the upper picture plugs her appearance at an economic summit; that might sound like nothing to someone allegedly NPOV about this but, again as in my edit comments, this is election season; you (117Avenue) say I should get my POV out of editing; I say the same to you; I've seen all too often that claims of POV abuse are the reason to keep blatantly POV material in place, and don't pretend that you don't have a political alignment yourself.....and I've seen edits of yours that were definitely politically-bias originated.....while claiming to be acting NPOV, you're not. Two portraits of Clark would be fine, but the subtle "statesman" subtext to the top picture, is to me (knowing BC politics oh so well) highly POV, albeit subtly.Skookum1 (talk) 03:59, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

the edit comment "Wikipedia doesn't care if it's election season or not" is debatable; Wikipedia is a major UGC content information site and influential, it can't wash its hands of responsibility to abide by election-season rules (OK, the campaign's not "officially" on but for every intents and purposes it has been). The excuse that Wikipedia doesn't have to pay attention to real-world realities and is somehow above them is offensive to me, and that attitude goes a long ways to explain why supposedly NPOV material/pictures are claimed to be POV when they're clearly not.Skookum1 (talk) 08:13, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Sorry about the POV accusation, that just heated the argument, and went too far. I recognize that I am human, and have POV as well. Thank-you for explaining yourself, I did not realize that it was the location of the picture, at an economic summit, that you found inappropriate. But it almost sounds like you think that it is not appropriate to add a picture to Wikipedia of a politician doing their job, during a re-election campaign. It is much more difficult to get good pictures of politicians in Canada than the United States, because there all government images are free. So in Canada we get pictures at public places, and politicians appear at public events as part of their job. When I came to this page I saw an image of de Cosmos, which I found odd, he is not the first Premier, or the longest serving Premier, or the current Premier. I think that an image of some importance should be at the top. In the other lists the thumbnail is used to quickly identify the current Premier. But this is not the Premier of British Columbia article, it is a historical list, so perhaps you are correct, in that an important historical figure should be in the thumbnail. I think that importance should be determined, and stated in the caption. I also think it is odd to repeat an image in an article, so I went ahead and looked for another image of C. Clark. I didn't think the image put her in a negative light, so I went ahead and used it. What I meant by "Wikipedia doesn't care if it is campaign season or not", is that we should always be striving to create better articles. Sure attention is but on certain political articles during an election campaign, but I don't think that adding an image should be considered "fluffing her up". We don't have a different set of policies for election season. I hope this provides more of an explanation than I could fit in an edit summary. Thanks, 117Avenue (talk) 23:29, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

I've found many images of C. Clark on Flickr, and have uploaded some of them. In the Kris Krug ones, you can't tell what she is doing. 117Avenue (talk) 00:46, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

That particular image constitutes putting her in a statesman-like stature, unlike other public appearances.......that's my objection - maybe subtle but in BC politics very real and nuance is everything. About Amor de Cosmos, the reason he was there is he was the first elected premier, the first premier was an appointee; and easily one of the leading figures in early BC history or BC history in general.....Skookum1 (talk) 05:34, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Top image[edit]

Until Clark's resignation takes effect & Horgan is sworn in, the top image should remain Christy Clark. This article is about the list of BC premiers, of which Horgan hasn't become, yet. GoodDay (talk) 19:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

No. Horgan is the Premier-designate. Clark has resigned and the LGG has accepted that resignation. Clark would only make a decision if a catastrophe were to take place.

The image should stay. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:18, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

I know he's the premier-designate. But, his image shouldn't be there, until he becomes premier. There's no rush. A compromise, would be to have both Clark & Horgan show. One as premier, the other as premier-designate. GoodDay (talk) 19:26, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

That is an excellent solution IMO. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

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Numbering[edit]

I count 35 premiers (George Anthony Walkem has been twice). On other lists the numbering is unique (List of premiers of Prince Edward Island). Is there a reliable source confirming that John Horgan is the 36th Premier of British Columbia ? --YB ^✍ 13:37, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

WP:CALC. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:56, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

@YanikB and Walter Görlitz: Unfortunately, WP:CALC might not apply here because our source is being weird. In every other province, when a premier serves non-consecutive terms the list of premiers follows the example of the federal government and only counts them once. But for some reason, lists of premiers published by the BC Legislature Library follow the American format of counting them twice. Thus, George Anthony Walkem is both the 3rd and 5th premier. Publications acknowledge that they are doing this, but don't say why (see the 2nd paragraph of the 2nd page of this). I'd like to have our numbering system consistent across Canadian articles, but we might have to use the American numbering system for BC if it is "official". I guess the question is whether the person running the BC Legislature Library has the power to make their preferred numbering official. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 23:11, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

FYI, This is also the case for New Brunswick: George Edwin King is counted as 2nd and 4th Premier. — Kawnhr (talk)

Some sources calling Horgan the "36th premier": 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. The man himself says it, too. In fact, all the results I found for "john horgan 35th premier" were actually of articles that also mentioned his predecessor, Christy Clark. — Kawnhr (talk)

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